‘Dissing’ John Barnes

 
I received an e-mail from a reader of this blog and I’d like to address it publicly. Centring around my Strictly Come Dancing special’s summation of John Barnes, it reads as follows:
 
"Well after reading your review of the clelebrity contestants of this years come dancing. I have admit to being slightly disappointed and dishearted that out of the 16 contestants, John Barnes the only black contestant gets the only negative review. "If he dances as well as he presents, he’ll be out in the first week". With the lack of black roles models on uk TV why did you feel the urge to focus on negatives when Mr John Barnes as done so much to promote a positive image for black males.  Why oh why oh why did you not do, what you did for say Willie Thorne or Gethin Jones and just write a few simple facts about the man instead of feeling the need to slate him.
 
Very disappointed."
 
Here’s what I said about John Barnes: "Hugely successful as a footballer, the former England international is now a TV presenter for Channel Five. If he dances as well as he presents, he’ll be out in the first week. That analogy also applies to his rapping (remember Liverpool FC’s Anfield Rap? Or New Order’s World In Motion?)."
 
Disappointed MSN reader, thank you for your e-mail; I appreciate all feedback. I’ll have to disappoint you again because I stand by every word. And in addition, I am unrepentant. I took pains to first state the obvious: John Barnes was a hugely successful footballer, for club and country. As an Arsenal fan, a black one at that, I know how influential he was in terms of being a positive role model for black people. I saw him maintain his dignity as he stepped away from bananas thrown at him on the pitch week in, week out – incredibly, some by supporters of the very club he played for. I even have a grudging admiration for his remarkable goal against Brazil in 1984 (he collected the ball at the halfway line and beat five Brazilian defenders). In terms of football, there’s no questioning his talent and integrity.
 
But in my humble opinion (and excuse the Football League analogy), he’s in the Football Conference when it comes to TV presenting – he’s bloomin’ awful! Slamming your tongue in a door is less painful than watching him emote robot-like about footy on Five. But if it makes you feel any better Disappointed MSN reader, the following are also useless: Jack Charlton, Alan Shearer, Ron Atkinson, Andy Townsend (whoever dreamt up his minging ‘Tactics Van’ should have every single hair pulled from their body with pliers), Ally McCoist,  Mark Lawrenson, Garth Crooks, Ian Wright (awful pundit – great TV personality) and the man I reserve all my bile for…Clive ‘that magical night in Barcelona’ Tyldesley. What a – well, I’ll leave you to guess.
 
I’ve never been shy about stating my opinion about anyone on TV – black or white as you’ll see if you peruse my list of TV’s Most Annoying. I calls ’em as I sees ’em – regardless of colour.
 
Today I am mostly lovin’ – A new series of South Park has just started on the Paramount Comedy Channel. Wh-hoo!
 
Today I am mostly hatin’ – After all that hype, Virgin 1 is a bit of a letdown.
 
MSN Editor Coops
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50 Responses to ‘Dissing’ John Barnes

  1. Unknown says:

    I AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAY ABOUT FOOTBALLERS BEING ABSOLUTLEY TERRIBLE AS PRESENTERS,WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IAN WRIGHT HE IS FAB! I ALSO THOUGHT THE EMAIL YOU RECIEVED WAS OFF SOMEONE WITH A LARGE CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER.IN THIS DAY AND AGE VERY FEW PEOPLE THINK THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE ONLY USED ON SHOWS AS A TOKEN GESTURE,THE SAME APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILTIES.
    WOULD IT BE OK TO MAKE DISPARAGING COMMENTS ABOUT JOHN BARNES IF HE WAS WHITE? WOULD JOHN BARNES LIKE IT IF WE GAVE GREAT REVIEWS ,EVEN IF THE PEFORMANCE WAS BAD, JUST SO WE DID NOT LOOK RACIST? I DONT THINK SO,HE WOULD WANT AN HONEST OPINION AND NEXT WEEK WILLY THORNE WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE END OF THE CRITICISM AS HE IS ALSO VERY BAD BUT I WILL NOT SEND AN EMAIL TELLING THE EDITOR I THINK IT WAS RACIST COS SHE ONLY PICKED ON A WHITE PERSON….I AGREE THEIR ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE RACIST BUT THEY ARE NOW THE MINORITY.AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED IF SOMONE IS BAD IN A COMPETION LIKE THIS THEY SHOULD BE TOLD THE TRUTH BY THE JUDGES NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR OR RELIGION THEY ARE WITHOUT FEAR OF THEM BEING CALLED RACIST….
     

  2. Joanne says:

    Absolutely agree! John Barnes was and still is a great role model, ON THE PITCH! He\’s not the greatest presenter, nor the greatest dancer. But it is only the first week and time will tell.I also believe that the original critic can\’t have watched the show at all as Alesha Dixon, a very beautiful lady of colour, also appeared (what an amazing dancer!). Does it mean I\’m baldest if I say that Willie Thorne wasn\’t that brilliant? Although I did think that Dominic was fantastic…Or is it all just getting a bit silly now..?

  3. peter says:

    when i watch a football match and john barnes is commentating on the game i turn the sound off as i find his voice just a droning boring no emotion annoying and not a patch on the good commentaters who bring the game to life with their view of the game,he has not got the right attributes to make to the match put it this way if he was commentating at the world cup in 1966 when england won we would all walk round with a heavy heart thinking how we beat the poor germans and is that the way to treat visitors to our shores,  a great footballer does not make you a good manager, and the same applies to ex footballers becomig commentators

  4. kayte says:

    I agree John was 1 of the best players we ever had i met him a few times lovely gent but he is a rubbish dancer stick 2 wat ur good at i say..

  5. Unknown says:

    I agree, isn\’t Virgin 1 awful. You notice how the majority of the \’new\’ shows they have advertised can be seen on the other cable channels when you have a regular package! What\’s the bet they start charging for it soon. Ever since they took over ntl it\’s gone downhill. We cannot get with any regularity information on the shows, \’movies on demand\’ is 50% unavailable throughout the week and the damn box has to be continually switched off. Unfortunately we don\’t have any other alternative here in Lincoln if we want cable/digital, unless we want to fork out at present for a second mortgage for Sky!!
    As for Mr. Barnes, I don\’t actually think he\’s a bad mover on the dance floor, but he\’s going to need more than dancing to lose some of that weight I\’m afraid. Bless!

  6. Unknown says:

    It is only the first week of Strictly Come Dancing, and of course all the contestants will be battling nerves, and desperately trying to remember steps, etc.  In John\’s defence, can I just say, that his performance was far from the worst – and was indeed one of the better performances.  He had far more rhythm than most of the other male competitors, and actually kept in time to the music, which is more than can be said for some!!!  Okay yes he does need to lose some weight, which I am sure he will over the next few weeks as the number of hours he spends practising increases!!!  Plus have you ever been on a diet?  Quite often, the inspiration to stick to a diet rigidly increases only once the first few pounds come off and you can see results, so give him time.   Let\’s hope John is not going to be a similar case to Spoony or Ray Fearon, and despite their potential to become wonderful dancers, get voted off simply because they are black!!!!   Ray Fearon had far more dancing ability, potential etc than Matt Dawson, (and dare I add looked so much better too) and had he not been voted out by the public, would no doubt have been in the final with Mark.  Thank god the judges now have the final say!!!  Maybe some sense will prevail, and dancers will be kept in the series because of their dancing ability and not the colour of their skin, or because somebody doesn\’t like their voice or accent!!! 

  7. boris says:

    John was a fine footballer, however that is where his fame or ignomy ends as far as a role model for black children is concerned, while (like many of us) going through a relationship breakdown, he is said to have beat his estranged wife (allegedly) – if he did do this then regardless of race or color he is a coward….I dont care how he dances.

  8. Unknown says:

    I cannot comment on John Barnes dancing as I didnot see him, but Britian is a racialist country just as America is  It would not surprise me if what was written about him was racist. The writer can put as much spin on it as he wants, but I know better. I lived in England for over thirty years, and the wounds are still deep.

  9. Coops - says:

    Sigh. Deep breath……here goes. (no name), I refer to your comment left on 09 October at 18:54. I wrote the original summary about John Barnes and, as you can see from my photo – not only am I black (shock! Gasp! Horror!), I am also female (shock! Gasp! Horror!). Yes, there are some racist people in this country and America – but racism isn\’t exclusive to the UK. You\’ll find it in every country on Earth. And the more extreme recent examples include Rwanda\’s genocide and what\’s going on in Darfur. My opinion remains the same: John Barnes is a hopeless TV presenter. And just in case that wasn\’t clear, I\’ll say it again: John Barnes is a hopeless TV presenter. Race did not play a part in my original summation and for that reason, my advice to dissenters is to get over it.

  10. Mal says:

    Oh my god I cant believe this country.A perfectly written balanced account voicing one persons opinions is jumped on by the idiots who do more harm than good and classed as racist. Personally I dont care what colour John Barnes is, he is in my opinion the worst presenter on Tv except for the newly unvieled Peter and Jordan and as their show hasnt even started thats saying something. To everyone who wants to turn critical articles into racist slurs I suppose I am now racist towards essex and new zealand or wherever them two come from. Leave us alone please we will all get on perfectly well without you all. You people create racists with your stupidness  leave the country if you want to censor us and take religeon with you please, ALL religeon!

  11. Andy says:

    Are we even still fussing over people\’s colour? John Barnes is a bloke, he was a footballer, and he can\’t dance or present TV programs. That\’s it. Period. Nobody even needs to mention his colour, just doing so marks it out as something that makes him different. His colour is irrelevent. The editor didn\’t mention it, everyone else is…

  12. Joe says:

    How sad our wonderful friendly country is becoming. It has got to the stage that so many people have jumped onto the do gooder’s bandwagon that it is getting impossible to make constructive criticism about any person, without some so called do-gooder looking for an alternate reason and highlighting a fact about the person that could be construed to be the true reason for the criticism.
    It would make me believe that these people themselves have the problems with accepting people as they are.
    Like the old story goes “Two do-gooders were walking down the road when the find an old person who had just been mugged lying in the gutter. They look at each other and one say’s, my goodness what is this place coming to, the person who did this needs our help”
     
    Too many people go out of their way to be offended.

  13. dennis says:

    I thought the idea of this thread was to discuss John Barnes dancing not to have a go at his presenting. Neither should we feel that we have to make flatterning remarks about his football ability in order to balance out any disparaging remarks we are going to make, its a sign of weakness in yourself.
    Johns dancing left a lot to be desired, it was somewhat wooden and it was difficult to tell if he was moving his hips. This was because John like a lot of us is carrying extra weight and it was difficult to see where his hips were. Having said that he was not the worst dancer that night, it was the first week and there is plenty of time to improve, we shall see over the coming weeks.

  14. Coops - says:

    (no name), in response to your comment left on 11 October at 06:39, this entire thread was sparked because I had a go at John Barnes\’ presenting skills! Or lack, thereof. Loving the irony…

  15. dazza says:

    i think you are right about john barnes presenting skill he  is rubbish he was awesome has a footballer me being a liverpool fan i would say that but on presenting football shows they need to make the autocue run a bit faster cos its like its stuck listening to him i like him though bless him

  16. denise says:

    i think he dances really well!!!and its  soooo cute!!!!!!!!

  17. Gary says:

    Typical how all black people seem to have a chip on their shoulder,and when something goes the wrong way for them they show the race card,PATHETIC Iam a Liverpool fc fan and loved the way Barnes played .but he should not be allowed on TV he talks to damm fast for people to understand

  18. Coops - says:

    (no name), with regard to your comment left on 11 October at 22:05: "Typical how all black people seem to have a chip on their shoulder,and when something goes the wrong way for them they show the race card,PATHETIC." All black people have a chip on their shoulder, eh? Have you met and garnered opinion from all 1.2 million of us (according to the 2001 census)? You\’ve made an outrageously racist statement. And that sir/madam, is what\’s pathetic. I\’ve said it before and I\’ll say it again, my initial summary of John Barnes had nothing to do with race.

  19. dennis says:

    We should not be too harsh in our critisism of the contestants, this was the first night and the nerves must have been hell. I dont even think that he was the poorest dancer on that particular night. Having said that I still think he was somewhat wooden.
     
    Ed Coops, please don\’t let these idiots making racist remarks upset you. I am a white male, 60 years old and I have travelled around the world, working in Europe, Africa, Middle East and Central America. During my travels I have learnt that the true measure of a Man or a Woman is in their hearts and in their minds not in the colour of their skin. For every racist idiot out there, there\’s a dozen sensible people. Its just that racists are like empty drums, they make the most noise. 

  20. Colin says:

    I think the problem here is a typically British one. All you have done is focused on John Barnes bad points so you can have a bit of \’aren\’t I the clever one?\’ kudos. Why not just focus on John\’s good points and be a nice person or do you really get off on being an bitchy opinionated fool. I\’m sure if we could spend some time with you we\’d find some chinks in your armour and if we told everyone about it in a smug \’aren\’t I the clever one?\’ way, how would you feel Coops? You don\’t gain anything by being a vociferous nasty smart arse, it just make you look like the shallow individual that you are!Think about it!And just because you are black too doesn\’t make it OK for you to make that kind of comment. Inverted race card misuse?

  21. Unknown says:

     
    I STAND MY ORIGINEL COMMENT (8-10-07 13.29) THAT THE FRST EMAIL POSTED WAS FROM SOMEONE WITH A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER BUT DO NOT THINK THIS OF ALL ETHNIC GROUPS.THE ED WAS JUST SAYING HOW BAD BARNES WAS AT DANCING AND THAT ONE PERSON WHO POSTED THE COMMENT HAS CREATED A FRENZY OF ATTACKS ON THE ED,GIVE HER A BREAK IT WAS A LIGHT HEARTED REVIEW OF SOMEONE WHO IS A VERY BAD DANCER….

  22. Unknown says:

    Ed Coops,
     
    It comes to something when you have to defend an innocent comment that you made about a bloke who was dancing on Come Dancing by having to refer to the Genocide in Rwanda and the current situation in Dafur.
     
    Would I be right in thinking that person who sent you the original mail thought mayber that you were white and so wanted to cause you as much trouble as possible by saying that you played the race card. The person themselves has neglected to mention in their mail that you said how successful a footballer John Barnes was (or is this also a negative comment)?????. I didn\’t see what the judges said, but if it was negative are they all rascist too?
     
    I\’m afraid to say that in my opinion, it is this kind of attitude from "Very Dissapointed" that is going to make the virus of racism even more prevelant. Just one person could be swayed to thinking like the person who said about chips on shoulders after reading Very Dissapointed\’s comments and tar all black people with that same very broad brush!!
     
     

  23. famous says:

    remember what i said coops??in the blog about TOM AND JERRY??it seems to be the white people bending over backwards to prove how up to date they are ,that are the problem and not the solution!!the attacks on your piece seem to prove that!!

  24. Coops - says:

    I\’m going to answer all your comments in turn so here goes….Firstly, people in the public arena expect both praise and censure at some point. To my mind, it\’s a simple case of if you can\’t stand the heat – stay out of the kitchen. Did I mention that I\’m wearing a protective suit? To Mr Colin Callan, you are incorrect when you say, and I quote: "All you have done is focused on John Barnes bad points" – I started off my summary by acknowledging his talent as a footballer. In addition, note the use of the word \’if\’ – I quote again: "If he dances as well as he presents, he\’ll be out in the first week." I suggest you peruse this entire entry again. Carefully. Very carefully….but thank you for your comment and your blindin\’ assessment of my character. I\’m laughing my head off. Blimey, if I\’m shallow, I dread to think what that makes yer average WAG.

  25. Coops - says:

    In answer to (no name) who left a comment on 12 October at 14:04. You asked if the person that sent in the original e-mail was white; I suspect not. I understand why that person took the time and trouble to write in, and I thank him/her for their point of view, which was obviously heartfelt. Needless to say, I do not agree with it. What kind of editorial integrity would I have if I let colour get in the way of my true opinion? I calls \’em as I sees \’em. Perhaps I should set some homework: "watch John Barnes\’ Football Night before commenting on this thread." Rest assured that if and when John Barnes gives a fantastic performance, I\’ll be the first to congratulate him…but I\’ll still insist that he\’s an awful presenter. Hey famouseccles, my Spurs-supporting friend – how\’s it going mate? I haven\’t forgotten about your request re: repeats. I\’ll speak on that soon…

  26. frank says:

    John Barnes is awful when it comes to doing anything needing the display of emotion or being easygoing, such as presenting. But i think the real painful aspect of all this shebang is the fact that the whites who obviously have control of the levers of power to appoint (so-called BLACK) role models onto public broadcast tend to choose those that dont do US BLACKS much justice or credibility. Whether it is a deliberate way of leaving us not best represented or its just a difference of opinion when it comes to what a whiteman thinks is a (suitable) black role model compared to what us blacks consider so i cant really tell. You see this in the choices they make for fellow whites in movies and TV programs and then corresponding choices they make for black movie or TV actors or actresses. The black person is almost guarranteed to make your skin crawl (sometimes!) with big fat lips, unoriginal, uninspiring and stuff like that. I dont know if JB is a good dancer but am not holding ma breath! Why? Well, for starters he must have been nominated and chosen by a white person more or less as representative of blacks in that role, so….
    Reading some of the stuff here, it seems he didnt do too badly, although am not so sure. But, JB, please go out there, have fun and enjoy yourself while you\’re at it, its now a bit too late for us not to back you fully to the hilt. Hopefully, you dont have two left feet!  🙂
    I dont think the piece on him by MSN Ed Coops was overly racist though, although it would have been a lot more balanced if she had left out the negatives, if only because she used a seemingly more objective criteria to assess the rest and then developed negative stereotyping when it came to JB\’s turn. Such is life, we are usde to it and no suprises either when it comes from a fellow black person. Incidentally, your been a black person is no excuse for negatively stereotyping a black person. It may simply go to show how much confidence she lacks in her person and by implication her own race. Good luck JB and MSN Editor Coops (funny name!)

  27. Coops - says:

    frank, all feedback considered and digested – and in your case, I disagree with a great deal of it. I\’m not even going to touch your assertion about the criteria for black people on TV – life\’s too short. Here\’s what puzzles me: "I dont think the piece on him by MSN Ed Coops was overly racist though.." Overly racist? It wasn\’t racist at all! Wall—banging—head—ouch—-hurts! You also say: "Incidentally, your been a black person is no excuse for negatively stereotyping a black person." You what? It was a negative opinion – huge difference! Wall—banging—head—ouch—-hurts! Finally, the conclusion: "Such is life, we are usde to it and no suprises either when it comes from a fellow black person." Oh puhleeeez! frank, do me a favour – check out my list of TV\’s Most Annoying. I promise you, like Doctor House, I am an equal opportunities critic. Anyone and everyone will get it – if I think they deserve it. And this? "It may simply go to show how much confidence she lacks in her person and by implication her own race." I\’m not even going to dignify that by responding to it.

  28. frank says:

    MSN Editor Coops, i think you\’re taking this way too personal now, relax! I didnt mean it as an offensive communique, more (like you!) as an opinion open to debate and contra-opinions. Ease up, and do please dignify it with comments, thats what this is all about isnt it?
     
    I deliberately choose to say "IT MAY simply go to show how much confidence she lacks in her person and by implication her own race." The key words being IT MAY; not altogether a certainty, more a suggestion again open to interpretation, conjecture and ifs or buts… And i note you agree with me in a roundabout way that it isnt (overly) racist. I may have deployed a bit of a sledgehammer-type instrument here to kill a fly! Why not?
     

  29. Coops - says:

    I don\’t understand why anyone would think the MSN editor has been racist just because she said John Barnes wasn\’t a good presenter. Can\’t some of you people read? Stick up for your principles girl!

  30. Coops - says:

    All this fuss over a perfectly innocent remark! The first email, I don\’t udnerstand because all that\’s been said is that John Barnes isn\’t a very good presenter. What\’s the big deal? When Cheryl Cole slagged off Charlotte Church, no one accused her of being racist. It\’s the same thing in my book.

  31. M says:

    I fancy him. and im a bloke. make comment on that one eh. 😉

  32. Unknown says:

    OH MY GOD FRANK WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??? NEVER MIND ED BANGING HER HEAD ON WALLS ,YOU MADE ME WANT TOO…..
    ED,HAVE YOU EVER HAD A RESPONSE LIKE THIS BEFORE TO A TOTALLY INNOCENT COMMENT MADE BY YOURSELF????
     TO M (15.10.07–15.10) I AGREE JOHN BARNES IS VERY YUMMY BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HOLD A CONVERSATION WIV HIM LET ALONE DANC WIV HIM?????

  33. Coops - says:

    "Hello Lolly, well hello, Lolly – it\’s so nice to have you back where you belong…" Sorry Lolly – I couldn\’t resist. Nice to see you make the journey over here from the Soaps blog. 🙂 In answer to your question, no. I\’ve never had a response like this before. But it\’s taught me a salient lesson about the power of words. The original remark was meant to be flippant, a throwaway, innocuous, if you will. But it wasn\’t interpreted that way by the sender of the e-mail who was genuinely disappointed by it. I do appreciate their point of view – but I don\’t agree with it. The head of Editorial here at MSN is currently writing the
    Strictly Come Dancing 2007 series five blog and he made a remark about Letitia Dean which has infuriated her fans. In this business, you never please everyone. M, you fancy John Barnes? Each to their own. However, he does absolutely nothing for me. When I was at school, he was one of the players all the girls fancied (I adored Arsenal\’s David \’Rocky\’ Rocastle…RIP).

  34. Lisa-Anne says:

    Ally McCoist is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT on the telly.  Never was a Rangers fan, but I think he\’s lovely and funny and don\’t think he deserves to be lumped in the same group as John-boy and Alan (zero personality) Shearer.  There!  Rant Over!

  35. WEE NASTY says:

    HOW CAN U DISS ALLY MCOIST HE HAS A BRILLIANT PERSONALITY
    A LOT BETTER THAN JOHN BARNES IAN WRIGHT AND THE ONE I
    HATE ALAN SHEARER, ALLY HAS LEFT TELLY JUST NOW TO HELP
    WALTER SMITH WITH THE SCOTLAND SQUAD, BUT SINCE URE FAV
    TV IS SOUTH PARK DOH IS SAYS A LOT ABOOT URE PERSONALITY
    GET A LIFE.
     

  36. Coops - says:

    weemadnorrie, with regard to Ally McCoist – one man\’s meat is another man\’s poison. And yes South Park is among my TV favourites but my album also contains the likes of The Sopranos, Brideshead Revisited, Pride & Prejudice, Fawlty Towers and Blackadder. By the way, you tell me what kind of life you\’d like me to get and I\’ll do my best to accomodate your wishes.

  37. Collette says:

    I\’m glad that you mentioned Big (mouth) Ron Atkinson in your list of awful sports presenters as he was absolutely shocking. The worst sports presenter and I mean WORST has to be David Pleat. The man cannot pronounce anyone\’s name correctly how he got a job as a commentator I will never know, my wife could do better!
     
    Personally I don\’t mind Shearer and Wrighty, I think their combination of a bit dull (guess who) and a bit manic works especially if they\’ve got Captain (shocking defending) Scarlett himself to bounce off. Back to the original comment I understand the point that their should be more positive black male role models but I don\’t think that we should be scared of criticising somebody\’s performance, and it was the performance NOT the person that was being criticised, just because they are black. I actually think John Barnes will do well in SCD but he should be banned from sports presentation!

  38. WEE NASTY says:

    I WASNT TELLING YOU TO GET A LIFE AS SUCH
    ITS A SAYING, OUT OF URE PROGRAMMES U LIKE
    I ONLY LIKE ONE THE SOPRANOS,  DONT THINK JB
    WILL GO FAR IN SCD BUT I DONT LIKE HIM ANYWAY
    I WOULD LIKE ALESHA TO WIN, BUT THE JUDGES
    HAVE THERE FAVS ALREADY, UGLY BRENDAN AND KELLY
    AND PENNY STEWART AND IAN WAITE, BUT THE ONE
    GUY I HATE TO SEE ON TELLY IS THAT EX HOUSE BREAKER
    DOMINIC LITTLEWOOD, CANT STAND THE WEE CREEP :@

  39. steve says:

    whoever likes south park should be sectioned, what a utterly stupid program….

  40. Kris says:

    Why is it that people never seem to read comments properly before ranting on. I cannot see how a comment about JB ability as a Presenter ended up into a discussion mainly about Race. Fact is he is C..p as a presenter. He was a good footballer.  He was also a Crap Manager.  Question,  Why is it that there are only one actual picture of those making comments?

  41. Sharon says:

    Whilst I do admire John for his footballing skills in the 80 his presenting still has a long way to go. However he is no worse than Alan \’\’you don\’t win anything with kids\’ Hanson or Mark \’I\’m not bias towards Liverpool\’ Lawrenson , Garth \’I can talk posh\’ Crooks and yes Alan \’boring\’ Shearer.  I think Ally McCoist is funny and does seem to be fair in his comments.  I do admire John for what he is doing on \’Strictly come Dancing\’ it is all well and good people make bad comments but at least he has got up there and tried which is more than most people could ever do, including some members of the panel – (are you listening Craig).  Most of the contestants are well out of their comfort zone so I give them all praise for at least trying.  After all his football has nothing to do with what he is doing now.

  42. Unknown says:

    I particully don\’t care much for TV presenters as all I\’m interested in is watching a good game of football and see my favourite team(s) winning. I admired John Barnes as a footballer and It\’s happy to see that he\’s allive and well, as well as enjoying himself in whatever he does. He looks so happy and always full of smiles on strictly come dancing and I wish him the very best in the competition.
     
    If he\’s such a bad or awful tv presenter (as some would make us believe) then how come he\’s still a TV presenter? It\’s very easy to use adjectives such as "great", "awesome", "terrible", "awful", "best" etc but these words are very often a matter of subjective opinion or taste. To some, John Barnes is an awful TV presenter, and to others he\’s okay, good or even great! To me, I care less whether he is or a not.
     
    Oh by the way I\’m Black – whatever that adjective means!

  43. Unknown says:

    Basically I believe the point being made is that when there too few \’black\’ people on televisions as it. It is hard to make a  statement or comment that can not view as a negtiave for the represention of all Black people? (silly as it, it is a factor)
    e.g If there were 5 black people and 5 white people ratio could you \’diss\’ one black person without regard for senstive issues regarding race. (although in my in my mind there are different issues and the ratio would have to be alot bigger on one side).  in that having only one Black person to represent Millions. It so more indented into everyone minds subconsciously. It would be more harmful to not reflect what is on our mind about another person black or white or whatever honstery. I guessing as a writer for the public you would anyway read back and review your work before submitting. And if you are happy with that then fine, who are we to say what you should say.
    It is not really the role of one to represent a race, black comes from different cultures and countries. so could a black american represent a black african? But it not about the representation really it more that people are judged and (everyone is, but we are currently talking about black people here) black people have alot of negative sterotype around them and the lack of black people in the media. the weight of the many rest on a few. But does this allow for senstivcity when talking about role models, in my opinion not really.
    but it just shows the effects of being unrepresented in media and society generally!? and the feelings and effects of it on people within Society.
    But I would prefere for people to think about what they have subjected to from media and society in general, and what is their learned pattern of thought towards others and themselves. that is just what I would like personally.
    Thanks

  44. paul says:

    jonnyb,a football god,commonly known as tarmac,the black heighway,to all us red fans,the presenting aint that bad,and let me tell you if jonny was a couple of pounds lighter,he would walk the show,he still might anyway,he got the beat as they say ,come on john,just do it.

  45. CeeJay says:

    why does it come down to colour jb is a fun loving chap who always has a smile and a freindly word he never gets riled never swears and is always polite so he doesnt measure up to the youngsters but in his heyday he was as good and even better than the so called football stars of today and thanks to men like him youngsters today have more chances in sport than ever. as far as dancing goes he may not be the best but you can bet your life he is putting his heart and sole into it. as for his presentation goes at least you get an honest answer from him and he calls it as he sees it with no frills and for someone to compare this great man to a cartoon show is no more than an insult. grow up. if you can say anything good about someone shut up!

  46. Martin says:

    I can\’t understand how this turned into a race debate! JB is truly awful at presenting. I can only assume he is still doing it because he is a) on a long term contract, or b)comes very, very cheap. Actually is\’s probably both. I like JB as a person and he was a fantastic footballer. None of this has anything to do with his race.

  47. michael says:

    im with you ed. made a comment nothing to do with colour or race.its ashame there are so many moronic statements made.if the person would like to learn about the true meaning of racism i suggest they sell up and move to iraq

  48. E says:

    "if the person would like to learn about the true meaning of racism i suggest they sell up and move to iraq"
     
    michael……what on earth has iraq to do with anything????. and if you\’re trying to imply that there is more racism is iraq then I seriously advise you to go seek professional help.

  49. Amanda says:

    South Park is a clever satire. If you think it\’s stupid you haven\’t watched it, and have judged it by its appearance only.

  50. Dorothy Dorothy says:

     
    OK. I have never seen John on 5 commentating on football. But – boy that man can dance. ( I am a fully qualified dance teacher). He has more natural rhythm and style than rest put together except Aleysha. However he is a little restrained and I think it is because he doesn\’t rate himself. A pity – go out and wow people this week, John! Some of us really like gorgeous men with rhythm and manners.

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